{"id":3893,"date":"2020-02-23T19:46:54","date_gmt":"2020-02-23T18:46:54","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/stop-vivisection.be\/?p=3893"},"modified":"2020-02-24T18:07:00","modified_gmt":"2020-02-24T17:07:00","slug":"une-petite-delegation-de-sea-sest-rendue-au-colloque-qui-se-tenait-le-18-fevrier-2020-a-la-brasserie-sauveniere-a-liege","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/stop-vivisection.be\/index.php\/2020\/02\/23\/une-petite-delegation-de-sea-sest-rendue-au-colloque-qui-se-tenait-le-18-fevrier-2020-a-la-brasserie-sauveniere-a-liege\/","title":{"rendered":"Une petite d\u00e9l\u00e9gation de SEA s\u2019est rendue au colloque qui se tenait le 18 f\u00e9vrier 2020 \u00e0 la brasserie Sauveni\u00e8re \u00e0 Li\u00e8ge."},"content":{"rendered":"<p><iframe title=\"20Alcool teste sur Souris\" width=\"800\" height=\"450\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/fc4Ab8W5-8g?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p lang=\"fr-FR\"><span style=\"font-size: large;\">Il s\u2019agissait d\u2019une conf\u00e9rence tr\u00e8s int\u00e9ressante exposant les cons\u00e9quences de l\u2019alcool sur le fonctionnement du cerveau, lorsque l\u2019alcool est ing\u00e9r\u00e9 en grandes quantit\u00e9s pendant l\u2019adolescence\u00a0: \u00ab\u00a0Identification des alt\u00e9rations de traduction synaptique dans le cortex pr\u00e9frontal induites par la consommation d\u2019alcool pendant l\u2019adolescence\u00a0\u00bb<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"fr-FR\"><span style=\"font-size: large;\"><b>Une grande \u00ab\u00a0d\u00e9couverte\u00a0\u00bb\u00a0?<\/b>: Les scientifiques peuvent \u00e0 pr\u00e9sent affirmer que, de grandes quantit\u00e9s d\u2019alcool ing\u00e9r\u00e9es durant l\u2019adolescence, avant que le cerveau ne soit mature \u00e0 25 ans, engendrent \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e2ge adulte un manque de concentration, des troubles de m\u00e9moire,de l\u2019anxi\u00e9t\u00e9, des troubles comportementaux, et favorisent le d\u00e9veloppement de maladies.<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"fr-FR\"><span style=\"font-size: large;\">Ce qui interpellait SEA, c\u2019\u00e9tait le fait que, dans la nature, les souris ne sont pas si alcooliques\u2026 \u00a8<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><strong>[1]<\/strong><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"sdfootnote\"><span style=\"font-size: large;\">Dans le r\u00e9sum\u00e9 de son travail \u00e9crit, l\u2019exp\u00e9rimentateur, Mme Sophie Laguesse (GIGA \u2013 Universit\u00e9 de Li\u00e8ge), mentionne 250 souris pour son exp\u00e9rience.<\/span><\/p>\n<div id=\"sdfootnote1\">\n<div id=\"sdfootnote1\">\n<p lang=\"fr-FR\"><span style=\"font-size: large;\">A une question pos\u00e9e par SEA\u00a0:<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"fr-FR\"><span style=\"font-size: large;\">Que sont devenues vos souris\u00a0?<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"fr-FR\"><span style=\"font-size: large;\">Mme Laguesse a r\u00e9pondu, en substance devant le public\u00a0:<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"fr-FR\"><span style=\"font-size: large;\">Mes souris ne sont pas malades. Il n\u2019y a pas les sympt\u00f4mes de sevrage et de mal-\u00eatre qui peuvent exister chez les humains. <span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><strong>[2]<a class=\"sdfootnoteanc\" style=\"color: #ff0000;\" href=\"#sdfootnote1sym\" name=\"sdfootnote1anc\"><\/a><\/strong> <\/span>Elle ont \u00e9t\u00e9 test\u00e9es pour leur comportement \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e2ge adulte, puis ont continu\u00e9 leur vie en cage.<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"fr-FR\"><span style=\"font-size: large;\">Cependant, dans ses travaux \u00e9crits, l\u2019exp\u00e9rimentateur parle d\u2019euthanasie des souris apr\u00e8s op\u00e9ration, ou apr\u00e8s troubles comportementaux.<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"fr-FR\"><span style=\"font-size: large;\">Cette affirmation \u00e9nonc\u00e9e en public est perturbante. La v\u00e9rit\u00e9 compl\u00e8te n\u2019est-elle pas bonne \u00e0 dire\u00a0?<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"fr-FR\"><span style=\"font-size: large;\">A une autre question de SEA\u00a0:<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"fr-FR\"><span style=\"font-size: large;\">Quel est l\u2019int\u00e9r\u00eat pour l\u2019\u00eatre humain de rendre des souris d\u00e9pendantes de l\u2019alcool. Qu\u2019en est-il de la r\u00e8gle des 3 R (en particulier du remplacement des animaux par des m\u00e9thodes alternatives sans animaux) ?<a class=\"sdfootnotesym\" href=\"#sdfootnote1anc\" name=\"sdfootnote1sym\"><\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<div id=\"sdfootnote1\">\n<hr class=\"sdfootnotesym\" \/>\n<!--[if lt IE 9]><script>document.createElement('audio');<\/script><![endif]-->\n<audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-3893-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"https:\/\/stop-vivisection.be\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/02\/Souris-et-alcool.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/stop-vivisection.be\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/02\/Souris-et-alcool.mp3\">https:\/\/stop-vivisection.be\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/02\/Souris-et-alcool.mp3<\/a><\/audio>\n<hr \/>\n<p lang=\"fr-FR\"><span style=\"font-size: large;\">L\u2019exp\u00e9rimentateur a r\u00e9pondu que des m\u00e9thodes alternatives avaient d\u00e9j\u00e0 \u00e9t\u00e9 utilis\u00e9es sans succ\u00e8s, et que cette exp\u00e9rimentation essayait de mieux comprendre pour cr\u00e9er de nouveaux m\u00e9dicaments et d\u00e9velopper de nouvelles mol\u00e9cules.<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"fr-FR\"><span style=\"font-size: large;\">Et que le nombre de 250 souris \u00e9tait le maximum pr\u00e9vu pour un programme de 5 ans.<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"fr-FR\"><span style=\"font-size: large;\">Les questions que se pose maintenant SEA\u00a0:<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"fr-FR\"><span style=\"font-size: large;\">Faut-il encore de nos jours de tels sacrifices\u00a0?<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"fr-FR\"><span style=\"font-size: large;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.lesechos.fr\/2015\/09\/la-meditation-validee-par-les-neurosciences-272612\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-3896 alignleft zoooom\" src=\"https:\/\/stop-vivisection.be\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/02\/le-cerveau-de-Mathieu-Ricard.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"229\" height=\"129\" srcset=\"https:\/\/stop-vivisection.be\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/02\/le-cerveau-de-Mathieu-Ricard.jpg 1280w, https:\/\/stop-vivisection.be\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/02\/le-cerveau-de-Mathieu-Ricard-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/stop-vivisection.be\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/02\/le-cerveau-de-Mathieu-Ricard-1024x576.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 229px) 100vw, 229px\" \/><\/a>Toutes ces constatations \u00ab\u00a0scientifiques\u00a0\u00bb ne peuvent-elles \u00eatre faites sur les (trop nombreux) alcooliques humains\u00a0? Si l\u2019on peut \u00e0 pr\u00e9sent examiner le cerveau de <strong>Mathieu Ricard<\/strong> et voir comment les connexions de son cerveau ont \u00e9t\u00e9 modifi\u00e9es par la m\u00e9ditation, ne peut-on utiliser nos appareils m\u00e9dicaux pour analyser les effets de l\u2019alcoolisme\u00a0?<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"fr-FR\"><span style=\"font-size: large;\">Si l\u2019on peut analyser le squelette d\u2019une momie datant de milliers d\u2019ann\u00e9es gr\u00e2ce \u00e0 nos appareils m\u00e9dicaux, nous faut-il autant de chair fra\u00eeche de souris adolescentes\u00a0?<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"fr-FR\"><span style=\"font-size: large;\">Sur qui va-t-on tester les nouveaux m\u00e9dicaments, sur des souris d\u00e9pendantes ou ind\u00e9pendantes\u00a0?<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"fr-FR\"><span style=\"font-size: large;\">Bien s\u00fbr, il faut pouvoir justifier les subsides consacr\u00e9s aux \u00e9tudes scientifiques, il faut produire des r\u00e9sultats quantifiables et franchissant toutes les \u00e9tapes impos\u00e9es, puis r\u00e9p\u00e9tables \u00e0 souhait. Sans doute vaut-il mieux \u00eatre le premier ou la premi\u00e8re \u00e0 r\u00e9aliser ce type d\u2019exp\u00e9riences.<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"fr-FR\"><span style=\"font-size: large;\">Cet argent ne serait-il pas mieux investi dans la pr\u00e9vention, scolaire notamment\u00a0? Dans l\u2019accompagnement des adolescents\u00a0?<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"fr-FR\"><span style=\"font-size: large;\">Cette exp\u00e9rience rend-elle quelqu\u2019un heureux\u00a0?<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"fr-FR\"><span style=\"font-size: large;\">Qui peut la raconter en d\u00e9tail le soir, \u00e0 ses petits enfants, jusqu\u2019\u00e0 la fin, jusqu\u2019\u00e0 l\u2019euthanasie\u00a0? Images \u00e0 l\u2019appui\u00a0?<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"fr-FR\"><span style=\"font-size: large;\">Nous ne sommes en rien oppos\u00e9s au progr\u00e8s de la science. Mais il est temps de recourir \u00e0 des m\u00e9thodes modernes pour y parvenir. Nous ne pouvons pas continuer \u00e0 exploiter les autres esp\u00e8ces. Jusqu\u2019\u00e0 l\u2019absurde\u00a0?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"><span lang=\"fr-FR\">Peut-\u00eatre les communaut\u00e9s scientifiques ont-elles besoin de l\u2019opinion publique pour s\u2019orienter davantage vers le respect des esp\u00e8ces consid\u00e9r\u00e9es comme inf\u00e9rieures.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p lang=\"fr-FR\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><strong>[1]<\/strong><\/span> Le R\u00e9sum\u00e9 non technique et non confidentiel publi\u00e9 par Mme LAGUESSE explique que les souris C57BI\/6 qu&rsquo;elle utilise dans le cadre de son exp\u00e9rience ne sont que 20 % \u00e0 consommer volontairement de l&rsquo;alcool sans avoir recours \u00e0 une privation de nourriture ou autres m\u00e9thodes d&rsquo;administration plus agressives (injection, gavage,&#8230;) &#8211; Source : <a href=\"http:\/\/bienetreanimal.wallonie.be\/home\/animaux\/autres-animaux\/animaux-dexperience.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">http:\/\/bienetreanimal.wallonie.be\/home\/animaux\/autres-animaux\/animaux-dexperience.html<\/a><\/p>\n<p lang=\"fr-FR\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><strong>[2]<\/strong><\/span> Quel est donc l&rsquo;int\u00e9r\u00eat d&rsquo;une telle \u00e9tude ?<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/stop-vivisection.be\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/02\/2018-46.pdf\" class=\"pdfemb-viewer\" style=\"\" data-width=\"max\" data-height=\"max\" data-toolbar=\"bottom\" data-toolbar-fixed=\"off\">2018-46<\/a>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/stop-vivisection.be\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/02\/2018-46.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-803\" src=\"https:\/\/stop-vivisection.be\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/09\/cours-maths-pdf.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"136\" height=\"136\" srcset=\"https:\/\/stop-vivisection.be\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/09\/cours-maths-pdf.png 256w, https:\/\/stop-vivisection.be\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/09\/cours-maths-pdf-150x150.png 150w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 136px) 100vw, 136px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>(c) <a class=\"Oux49\"><span data-tooltip=\"\" data-tooltip-position=\"top\">Marie-Rose LEDUC, Solange T&rsquo;kint.<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p>vid\u00e9o, audio, mise en page, Yves Dalcq.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-2243\" src=\"https:\/\/stop-vivisection.be\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/03\/Andre\u0301-M2.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"161\" height=\"200\" srcset=\"https:\/\/stop-vivisection.be\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/03\/Andre\u0301-M2.png 725w, https:\/\/stop-vivisection.be\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/03\/Andre\u0301-M2-241x300.png 241w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 161px) 100vw, 161px\" \/><\/p>\n<h3 class=\"iw\"><span class=\"qu\" tabindex=\"-1\" role=\"gridcell\"><span class=\"gD\" data-hovercard-id=\"andre.menache@gmail.com\" data-hovercard-owner-id=\"158\">Andre Menache<\/span><\/span><\/h3>\n<div>J&rsquo;ajouterais une petite question : o\u00f9 sont les preuves que le model murin est pr\u00e9dictif pour l&rsquo;homme ?<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>Cette question se pose \u00e0 la lumi\u00e8re du fait qu&rsquo;un syst\u00e8me \u00e9volutif complexe (la souris) ne peut pas<\/div>\n<div>pr\u00e9dire l&rsquo;effet d&rsquo;une perturbation (la consommation d&rsquo;alcool) sur un autre syst\u00e8me \u00e9volutif complexe (l&rsquo;homme).<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>Si la chercheuse ne comprend pas ce principe fondamentale, elle devrait peut-\u00eatre retourner \u00e0 l&rsquo;\u00e9cole<\/div>\n<div>ou sinon choisir une autre carri\u00e8re.<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"pvc_clear\"><\/div>\n<p id=\"pvc_stats_3893\" class=\"pvc_stats all  \" data-element-id=\"3893\" style=\"\"><i class=\"pvc-stats-icon medium\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><svg aria-hidden=\"true\" focusable=\"false\" data-prefix=\"far\" data-icon=\"chart-bar\" 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